Soviet Camel Project: In the Beginning
From a Concept by Lucas Kubacki,
Camel Skin by Carmine Olivieri (Stefano "FOX")
and WB Parts Detailed by e-b-o-
Carmine Olivieri is the person who did the original Camel skin which was used by Lucas who added the
Soviet markings and "batwing". Carmine has graciously agreed to allow the skin to be converted from
Richtofen's Skies by TW to Warbirds for Dawn of Aces. I have all the ducks lined up and permissions
have been given and believe me, it wasn't easy going. I need to touch up some minor details on the skin.
Next is the VOTE by PDC members.
for the PDC website News and Skin sections: which do you like best?
|PLAYER COMMENTS ABOUT THE RED ARMY CAMEL:
Posted on Total Sims Forum by: KRAXUS
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:14 am Post subject:
I've been "testing" the Red CAMEL skin and am HIGHLY PLEASED. Those involved in the project have done a great job... whether or not the particular design was ever seen on the Western Front. I have it set as the default skin for all the F.1 Camels in my offline/online DoA play, and am impressed by two things:
(1) The plane is VERY difficult to distinguish against the background of the ground terrain when viewing from a higher altitude... which is a GOOD thing for the way I play the game offline
(2) Once a close encounter is underway and I've spotted the cons, the red stars on the wings make it relatively easy to keep my eyes on the target.
Note: I fly in the offline game with all icons turned off, using ACE settings for enemy fliers. I fly with a limited number of wingmen (if any), and only fly against enemy units using aircraft which are different than my own. Thus if one of my A/C types crosses my aiming pins, I hold my fire... but if one of THEIR A/C types appears, I know he's fair game. Trying to discern Camels wearing the Red skin which are below me is a tough game and presents a real challenge.
My appreciation for the opportunity to "TEST" the skin, and please pass my gratitude to the crafters for their fine work! <<S>>
Flyboys/DoA: 1st Lt. Kraxus
~The Flying Blacksmith~
95th Pursuit Sqdn - Kicking Mules
Posted on Furball Forum by KIDCAN
05-29-2007, 11:49 PM
Re: New Camel getting set for V*O*T*E!
your camle looks awesome but I do not think, yet to be honest i am unsure if any early VVS plane fought in WW1 due to the Bolshevik war...leading to Russias Communims....I coul be wrong, and I must make sure you realize I am unsure of the historical facts.
None the less, though, you did a wonderful job yet again keep up the amazing work commrade Art
I truly do love your skin Arthur and would download it either way, a few months back in International Scale Model Magazine they did The Nieuport 17 and there was one with the markings your Camel has.I was going to pick the magazine up as a resource, if I ever felt like doing some early Russian military planes and also the macabre squadron markings really appealed to me.
P.S. I doubt most people who play WB's know much about the Soviet Union's early days of aviation, so VFC it anyhow I like it it's got my VOTE!
Below the profile its written: "Sopwith Camel captured from the general Denikin's troops (white Russian forces) of the pilot of 34th Reconaissance Squadron, P.Karpuhin" (spell: Kar-pu-khyyn) The unit served on the Southern part of the Civil War front, probably at the Crimea area, where White troops were fighting.
Rec units were called "Razvieditelnyi Otryad". Otryad is a kind of "flight" consisted max of 6 planes. Those were basic Russian/Soviet units during the WW1 and Civil War 1918/20.
BTW: Soviet planes from Civil War have some nice personal insignia. Those were mostly Nieuports 17/21/23/24, since they were built under license in Russia. Iam a bit interested in that period which is forgotten one.
More about this period of history from WORLD AT WAR.NET:
The collapse of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the near simultaneous collapses of the Prussian and Austrian Empires in 1918 produced a sudden outpouring of nationalist sentiment among nations and peoples that had lived more or less peacefully (if not always happily) under foreign rule for a century or more.
Like the Poles, Latvians and Czechs had had their own Legions in the Russian and, in the case of the Czechs, the Austrian armies. Czechs had also served with the French in the West. Estonians, Finns, Lithuanians, and Cossacks held prominent positions in the Imperial Russian forces, while Cossacks, Finns, and Ukrainians served the Germans and/or Austrians. As the Russian, Austrian, and German armies came apart in the last days of World War 1, these small, ethnically based units often emerged as the only coherent, disciplined military forces operating in vast stretches of suddenly lawless and rebellious territory. A few Latvian battalions secured Lenin's position in the crucial, coup-wracked days of 1918. The 60,000-man Russian Czech Legion was able to fight its way across Asia and Russia to Vladivostok and back in hijacked, hastily armored trains. Count von Mannerheim used Finnish veterans of the German and Czarist forces to crush less well-organized, less well-equipped Red Finns in a bitter civil war, while harassing the flanks of the Allied intervention force at Archangel.
These forces provided the backbone of the armed services of the new nations of the Baltic and Central Europe as well as the principal striking force of the remnants of the White Russian armies. They crushed Bolshevist or, as in Hungary, supported Bolshevist uprisings in their own countries and waged war against the nationalist movements in neighboring states. Thus, Czechoslovakia fought a short but sharp war of aggression against Red Hungary while defending itself from White Poland's neo-imperialist attacks. Poland invaded Lithuania and seized the capital, Vilnius, renaming it as the Polish city of Vilna. Latvia battled German freikorps, resurgent Junkers militias, and as-yet undemobilized Prussian regulars. Estonia resisted the Germans, the Bolsheviks, and Iudenich's notoriously brutal but militarily ineffectual White Russians. As we shall see, Britain aided the Balts where she could, using naval forces, including aircraft carriers, submarines, destroyers, and Coastal Motor Boats, the MTBs of WW1. In the south, Deniken's Whites fought the local Russians and Ukrainians, the Bolsheviks, and various bandits with the aid of clandestine British and French units, mercenaries, Germans, and the now nominally independent Don Cossacks.
All of these groups had air forces of one sort or another. Most relied on captured Austrian and Czarist equipment, notably Dux-built Nieuports, Voisins, Oeffag-Albatros fighters, and Hans-Brandenburg two seaters. The Finns and Balts used German aircraft as well. The Balts, Czechs, and White Russians received aircraft, munitions, pilots, and training from the French, British, and Italian governments. Archangel and the Black Sea and Pacific ports were all in allied hands.
The White Russians also had their own air forces, though often as not these were little more than front organizations for the Western Allies themselves. In the south, Gen. Denikin's forces had, in addition to the usual mix of Nieuport and SPAD scouts, two units mounted on reasonably state of the art British equipment. Curiously, the Russian-manned two-seater squadron's DH.9s carried normal RAF insignia, while the Sopwith F.1 Camels of the all-British South Russia Instructional Mission wore Denikin's markings. The instructional mission was actually a semi-clandestine combat unit, operating without official British government sanction from Ekaterinodar in 1919. When White resistance collapsed, the surviving Camels and DH.9s were lined up on the wharf at Novorosiysk and, under cover of the guns of French and British cruisers, crushed by a tank which was then driven off the end of the dock.